tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post114180061809763433..comments2023-10-20T07:43:11.766-07:00Comments on The Hologram: Is the Universe an Illusion? (part 2)Sailesh Ganeshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10434654034135974696noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1142136577744078402006-03-11T20:09:00.000-08:002006-03-11T20:09:00.000-08:00PS: Agree with you except for the first line. I di...PS: Agree with you except for the first line. I digagree that it is meaningless, after all it is a step towards finding out the meaning and purpose of existance.<BR/><BR/>Nikhil: By "bullshit" if you mean you do not agree with what I have stated in this post, well feel free to disagree, but those are not my opinions I have written about (even though it happens to be the same!). And rather than using a bland word, perhaps you'd care to explain what you mean?<BR/><BR/>Sanjit: I agree with your comment, and even the enlightened sages have cautioned against taking the illusion concept too literally. Till such time we actually understand the concept (read: get enlightened, which btw might be never), it is only meant to provide a perspective; it does not give you freedom to abandon your duties in this world. This reminds me of the classic verse from Bhagavad Gita (2.47):<BR/><BR/><I>karmany evadhikaras te<BR/>ma phalesu kadacana<BR/>ma karma-phala-hetur bhur<BR/>ma te sango ’stv akarmani</I>Sailesh Ganeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10434654034135974696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1142113846571639932006-03-11T13:50:00.000-08:002006-03-11T13:50:00.000-08:00I am not too sure but I guess it would be better t...I am not too sure but I guess it would be better to solve the problems of the world we see, live in the world we see, rather than try and convince ourselves that all what we see is after all an illusion!<BR/><BR/>It cud lead to escapism amongst mankind. So do ur karma and u shall realize at the end of it the truth!SKKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07411276964364847910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1142068432726763362006-03-11T01:13:00.000-08:002006-03-11T01:13:00.000-08:00Aha. Thats what I was trying to say. I guess I sho...Aha. Thats what I was trying to say. I guess I should also have said the "bullshit" word. Clears things up pretty easily :)Nikhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815132070495609748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1142033830287734222006-03-10T15:37:00.000-08:002006-03-10T15:37:00.000-08:00All this illusion talk is meaningless and bullshit...All this illusion talk is meaningless and bullshit.<BR/><BR/>Say you are in a dream. Is it possible for you tell whether you are in a dream or not, while you are still in the dream? No, you cannot. For finding it out, you have to wake up i.e. get into a meta-dream state.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, it is _not_ possible to find out whether universe is an illusion or not, unless you go into a meta-universe state, (something which people who attain Nirvana are _supposedly_ go to).<BR/><BR/>Thats what I meant when I said "mu" in my previous comment.PShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197720659867587698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1141928676754845532006-03-09T10:24:00.000-08:002006-03-09T10:24:00.000-08:00"Enlightenment" too is a very human concept, all e..."Enlightenment" too is a very human concept, all encompassed in only a part of the elephant one blind man (humans) can see.Nikhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815132070495609748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1141896593650175452006-03-09T01:29:00.000-08:002006-03-09T01:29:00.000-08:00'mu''mu'PShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11197720659867587698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1141885305816954932006-03-08T22:21:00.000-08:002006-03-08T22:21:00.000-08:00Nikhil, your definition of real reminds me of the ...Nikhil, your definition of real reminds me of the story of six blind men and an elephant. Each of them grab a different part of the elephant and come to totally different conclusions about what the elephant is like. From each of their perspectives, what they say is true, but since the elephant is a mix of all of those <I>truths</I> (and more), their own versions of the truth, while not false, is only a smaller truth, an incomplete truth.<BR/><BR/>To perceive the true nature of the elephant, the blind men will have to rise above their limitations. Similarly, we have to rise above the limitation of our senses to perceive the complete truth. Without that, we will be stuck in a continuous loop about the reality and illusion of the universe. As you say,<BR/><BR/><I>For us to define actual illusions, we need to be in a frame of reference outside of human perception.</I><BR/><BR/>Of course, thats nothing but enlightenment you are talking about! Cheers!Sailesh Ganeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10434654034135974696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1141806701332190962006-03-08T00:31:00.000-08:002006-03-08T00:31:00.000-08:00Nice research :)Let us define "Real" as something ...Nice research :)<BR/><BR/>Let us define "Real" as something which exists. From human perspective it is something which we perceive to exist. Thus everything we perceive, though it may not actually exist comes under the human definition of real.<BR/><BR/>So if as you say universe is an illusion, that illusion is our definition for "real". Hence universe = real.<BR/><BR/>For us to define actual illusions, we need to be in a frame of reference outside of human perception.<BR/><BR/>I think this is another case of hazy boundaries (between definitions of real & illusion) leading to endless proofs of existence of either cases.Nikhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815132070495609748noreply@blogger.com