tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post113296798306901285..comments2023-10-20T07:43:11.766-07:00Comments on The Hologram: Religion and ScienceSailesh Ganeshhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10434654034135974696noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1133113995762906782005-11-27T09:53:00.000-08:002005-11-27T09:53:00.000-08:00Nikhil, just because a few "holy" men abuse the sy...Nikhil, just because a few "holy" men abuse the system to claim an "exalted" status does not make the entire philosophy incorrect. There have been countless examples of people who have achieved realization, such as Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Swami Vivekananda (recently) and Gautam Buddha. Surely you are not claiming that they "lied" about having attained moksha? <BR/><BR/>I do not call it blind faith, since it is open to experimentation at a personal level.Sailesh Ganeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10434654034135974696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1133113565305882102005-11-27T09:46:00.000-08:002005-11-27T09:46:00.000-08:00Sailesh,this is very interesting.. I read it to Ma...Sailesh,<BR/><BR/>this is very interesting.. I read it to Manni also. She said that all these are in Devi Bhagavatham which she reads regularly.. she was praising your presentation and language. the level at which you have written is at an abstract lelve.. relating that to the daily life as to the human body works and what is life etc are available from other great souls..<BR/>if you would be interested, I can send some more details.. rgds sriramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1133085781248495062005-11-27T02:03:00.000-08:002005-11-27T02:03:00.000-08:00Yeah agree with Sanjit's view. Nicely written.But ...Yeah agree with Sanjit's view. Nicely written.<BR/><BR/>But Sailesh..<BR/><I>"Philosophy is not really unprovable, only that since you need to go into meditation to see the truth, only you can see the proof, it cannot be proof for others."</I><BR/>This is the exactly the kind of defense "holy"men use to acheive their "exalted" status. That they can "see" things which ordinary people can't. My view - If you can't see, don't believe that anyone else can. That will be blind faithNikhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815132070495609748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1133085262802488552005-11-27T01:54:00.000-08:002005-11-27T01:54:00.000-08:00Sanjit, an excellent summary in all respects, espe...Sanjit, an excellent summary in all respects, especially the way you separated the religion from the philosophy. In my posts, it is the philosophy that I am talking about. Religion, as you make it out, is for the less developed minds. Philosophy is not really unprovable, only that since you need to go into meditation to see the truth, only you can see the proof, it cannot be proof for others.<BR/><BR/>The charlatans that you speak of talk only about the religious aspects, and they get that wrong almost all the time too. The true exponents of a religion are its philosophers, such as Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Swami Vivekanand, et al.Sailesh Ganeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10434654034135974696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1133083431182684662005-11-27T01:23:00.000-08:002005-11-27T01:23:00.000-08:00Ps, Not sure what the zen idea of transcending dua...Ps, Not sure what the zen idea of transcending duality is but transcending duality (duality created because of Ego) is the way to nirvana in hindu philosophy (as in the Gita) too.<BR/><BR/>I am not sure of how many dimensions the universe is made of but yes all the delusion in Hindu philosophy is broadly attributed to ego that makes one feel different from the other. <BR/><BR/>To me it is more prudent to accept religion as a way of life that was proposed by the wise over ages of human existence than to assume that in religion lie answers to fundamental questions of universe's existence that the scientists of today have not been able to answer or have answered differently or incompletely. A religion is a set of rules or guidelines that should be interpreted in the context of today. It is very plausible to me that the idea of God as one and only one, the all powerful, was proposed to force some sanity into human civilization through fear of the unknown. The rest I would categorize as philosophy (Hindu philosophy as explored by Sailesh) that tries to answer the difficult questions like when did the universe emerge or how did it emerge, will it ever end, is there any other universe. Is the universe a mere delusion? Unfortunately philosophy doesn’t provide concrete evidence that science is able to by carrying out experiments or by showing presence of phenomenon that seem to support a scientific theory. Also, today the few who claim to be exponents of religion and philosophy are charlatans having a large following of ignorant people who find solace in what the self-proclaimed Gods say.SKKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07411276964364847910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1133037632196413812005-11-26T12:40:00.000-08:002005-11-26T12:40:00.000-08:00Theres an inherent problem with scientific theorie...Theres an inherent problem with scientific theories proving the existence of God, which is Godel's Incompleteness theorem. <BR/>It basically says that any consistent axiomatic formulation includes undecidable propositions.<BR/><BR/>I personally like the Zen idea of having to transcend duality in order to get closer to attaining Nirvana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19163967.post-1132988929975276052005-11-25T23:08:00.000-08:002005-11-25T23:08:00.000-08:00Taking nothing away from you, it has become very f...Taking nothing away from you, it has become very fashionable of people to try & prove religions scientifically "correct" (ala Intelligent design theory). <BR/><BR/>None of the theories of Hinduism are provable. They are just statements. & A very small number of which coincidently are similar today's scientific conclusions. Know well that even these scientific conclusions can very well be superceded tomorrow by better theories.<BR/><BR/><I>"The actual universe is present in a much higher dimension"</I> - Not at all proven by any theory. Just one of the assumptions made in physical studies to try & understand the nature of the universe or to find a common law explaining the 4 fundamental forces.<BR/><BR/>Suprisingly rather than religious texts, I find more believable representation of GOD in science fiction such as Arthur Clarke's 2001, or Carl Sagan's Contact.Nikhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06815132070495609748noreply@blogger.com